manhunt wrote:

tak main lah mivec.. saya suka vtec... muahaha...vtec for life

Its ok, each individual got their own preference, Mitsu's were never very famous with their mivec's but more on the evo's and turbo cars.. but in Japan most of them use mivec to rally.. as JWRC.. i can't transplant a vtec into my car can i?


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who said cannot... can lah... as long as you are willing to fork out the money...

yeah i think mitsu are more famously known for their Evos.. my all time fav is still the E3...

ethan592 wrote:

You know what guys, since the launch of the Campro CPS engine / Waja and Gen2 body, my curiosity of how this engine's character is has totally make me curious on just how far campro has improved, thoughts and expectations on my mind has always been, will it ever be as good as a B16 Vtec or Mivec? as in the real old skool thought of Variable Valve engines.. even the 20valvers and friends who had one never ever had a cross over point that aggressive as a Vtec or Mivec, so how would this CPS fair? Its painful for most of us old Generation campro owners here also to know that the fact the 1st Gen campro was supposed to come with some sort of cam profiling system and hence the name CAMPRO. I also remember when i test drove my car and was in a bit of a culture shock when i ask the sales man, "kenapa low end teruk sangat" and he very confidently told me, "oh encik kena tekan lebih 4k rpm baru terasa power campro ni.. ala ala macam vtec la boss" well obviously it was BULLSHIT la kan? anyways, time has passed and so has my engine..

So last Saturday morning, being the usual car day for myself, i drove into a Proton Showroom somewhere in Subang to enquire just to see.. just for my luck to see if they happen to have a manual, because all these times, since the car was launched, my curiosity has been so great that i've ventured into Youtube, online reviews just to read the write up about the car, no doubt some local papers have covered it but i just wanted to satisfy my curiosity, "mana la tau this fellas are helping Proton out kan?" anyways the Salesman was so worried that he told me, boss sorry ah, we are only left with a CPS manual, do you mind ah? i was like " Yeah of course, that was what i came to test... not the auto version since its not relevant to me.." but they didn't have the Gen2 version but the Waja instead, but i still didn't mind. So waited for the sales guy to prepare the car, signed all the indemnity forms.. and off we go.. Firstly the sales man was kind enough to fill 10 ringgit of petrol since the car is seriously new.. i mean 10km on the Odometer is not something you usually see on a test car.

Once off the petrol station i started driving it, immediately on 1st gear rev to 3k, as in a real standard 1st gear take off, i didn't even floor the throttle, i could already feel the difference. Testament to those motoring journalist that mentioned the same thing, that means they aren't bullshitting la.. So off i went in 1st gear, and i was really analyzing at every rpm to feel the difference. Once i hit an open road, i immediately give it the juice, punch my foot down all the way from 1st and pulled all the way to redline. Someone had claimed to me that the CPS now is of higher rev cut which was 7500 rpm.. NOT.. i:e (non cps was 7.1k - 7.3k) its still the same as the old engine.. but some how, during my acceleration runs, i didn't hear any cams crossover of what so ever audible engine tone, Maybe its because the CPS only had intake cams with profile and not the exhaust cams like the VTECS and MIVECS. And so if the factory airbox is still in use, probably you won't get to hear anything. But overall engine tone, sounds the same as your regular campro, Honest to god on this.

So i had the car for a brief 5 minutes drive with enough time for me to try out cruising speed and WOT sessions. During cruising speed, i noticed that because of Drive By wire, ( I honestly forgot the feeling of Drive By wire after going back to cable throttle from my mivec) that i have to press harder in order to gain response from the CPS unit, some how to me, drive by CABLE still give you crispy response and smooth linearity as compared to Drive by wire. During sudden WOT sessions, the engine hesitates slightly first then it goes, i don't know is it because of my particular car or its the characteristics, when you pass 5500 rpm nearing towards 6k, there's really a funny twang sound from the engine compartment.. really feels as though the NVH on the upper revs haven't improve.

And so, i conclude that if you're comparing this engine against the regular non CPS model engine, i would say, if you've had driven it you'll be amazed by the characteristics of the LOW END SIDE.. Probably the IAFM has helped in breathing of the engine during low loads, (this could mean that you won't be able to use your open pod in order to fully take advantage of the IAFM, but i could be wrong, one glance at the airbox design one would think it looks the same as your regular CAMPRO engine but there are bigger air reserve tanks and the intake manifold is of a high grade plastic. So lastly again, if your expectations on a CPS engine is some what of a VTEC / Mivec engine? hmm.. sorry to say, its nowhere near it, but who knows, after a full exhaust change, the CPS power might be improved for another 20% or so. The most important thing for a manual driver is the car now has a newer final drive unit. Previously our Campro manual used to be 4.026, now the CPS manual is 4.3 which comes from a 1.3 Neo model. I know this because for a normal campro GB, when you rev to 6500 @ 1st, then shift to 2nd, you usually drop to 4000 rpm, but with the CPS unit, it only drops to 4600 rpm.. so thats quicker acceleration for you as well. Until then, do drop by and test one yourself to get a fairer review lol..

Good review, Ethan..

Only telling the truth.. anyways, like i wish, i wish time could be turned back so that at least we feel more satisfied paying our monthly installments with the proper CPS rather than cpsless campro. I still hold this grudge against them. And also for providing me, (my batch of campros) with rotten uncompetent materials for the crankshaft)


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ermm nice info an review ethan..

i heard CPS is slightly hard to modify bcoz the engine set up (OEM configuration) is the best for the engine itself..

any comment?


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mastakeez wrote:

ermm nice info an review ethan..

i heard CPS is slightly hard to modify bcoz the engine set up (OEM configuration) is the best for the engine itself..

any comment?

That i'm not to sure but i'm pretty sure, if anything also its the ecu la.. but one of our friend here said they manage to mod one cps ma.. 140 atw lagi tu.


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ermm ok...
ethan what type of thing u said that cost around rm600. about engine mgt. PS? where i can found the indormation bout it?


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neo cps seems to have long waiting period... kinda like to see the white neo cps... would make a nice car for the mrs. to drive around

guys . found this video today.. a guy posting his cps dyno in youtube..
146.2 whp . what do u guys think?
felt fishy but then again he got video to prove..
any1 with experience to justify his claim.? izzit on wheel power like he claim or engine power?
if its true. cps is really 1 hell of a beast..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54BERyEDZFw

undercover wrote:

guys . found this video today.. a guy posting his cps dyno in youtube..
146.2 whp . what do u guys think?
felt fishy but then again he got video to prove..
any1 with experience to justify his claim.? izzit on wheel power like he claim or engine power?
if its true. cps is really 1 hell of a beast..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54BERyEDZFw

well undercover, this video is uploaded by someone called nan83.. he used to contribute a lot during g2c days in performance section... nevertheless i'm very sure the figures are on engine... as u can already see in the 2nd video here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIp9AnA9u3A&feature=related pause at 0.27 u can see the actual on wheel readings which is 126.6... quite ok for CPS.. and claimed lightly mod which is not.. anything with ECU tampered not considered minor la tu kan? u can also here the intake note changes as what CPS is, only the intake cam lift would be well audible with open pod filters.. if u have the exhaust lift then you'll get vtec/ mivec effect la.. if the CPS really has 146 ATW really a lot of car's will die.. not to mentioned the infamous b16a also.. most stock b16a's.. or mivecs will churned out 136 - 145 atw.. after 1800cc mods, then you'll see about 165 - 170 atw la..

Anyways just to prove that its on engine figures.. i'm posting my ill fated campro figures last time ON engine.. (Lightly modded really)



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wahh. u r like an arkib with all campro info bro.lol good info ethan.. yea that is what i was thinking too.. 146whp is in mivec league. i was about to plonk in hi cams. but looking at past member record. that doesnt even bring us even to 14+whp. thats y i m surprised. even with cps higher cam lift. that claim doesnt make sence.

moral of the story. never trust what we see in youtube.. lol

undercover wrote:

wahh. u r like an arkib with all campro info bro.lol good info ethan.. yea that is what i was thinking too.. 146whp is in mivec league. i was about to plonk in hi cams. but looking at past member record. that doesnt even bring us even to 14+whp. thats y i m surprised. even with cps higher cam lift. that claim doesnt make sence.

moral of the story. never trust what we see in youtube.. lol

Well that's why from the start if you've done your dyno before, then at least u have some sort of baseline la.. for curiosity purposes i actually toll them i wanted an on engine printout instead. It was in the video that i managed to satisfy my curiosity at the 0.27 section where the figure 126.6 briefly pop up. Dastek machine dynos differently then the rest... other machines will load up on 3rd gear and WOT all the way to desired rev cut.. but dastek reads differently.. the operator will hold it on every Rev point.. 1000, 2000, then all the way to 7000.. so its not a one shot thingy.

Cams till today, i'm not sure whether it would be successful or not but if people have managed to totally alter the maps.. then u might get something.. the last i heard all cams are regrinds and not billets.. so if u regrind, don't u think the lift will be less and they'll counter it with something else.. last time my ride didn't have cams at all, no ACP as well.. adjustable cam pulleys.. because i know you're just merely playing with shifting of the powerband.

Well if you're trying to break the 110 bhp mark, its not that difficult la, but trying to gain 125 on wards its quite a lot of work.. a lot of trial and errors.. but i've already found the solution but i won't be sharing here because people might think i'm taking advantage in pushing product. But once you got 115 - 120 bhp for campro.. you can be considered well respected.. but unfortunately for the campro batch of 05.. better not risk it la.. a famous campro king already confess to me that he has in total broken 3 cranks.. so why put in so much HP?


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if u still remember mine now is 110whp range. tested using dynojet 04 batch.. fuel really lean. still havent solve that issue yet.. guys from trial tunning say they can push it to 12+ range but need to solve fueling issue. one of them even say 13+whp is possible by doing mapping only without cams and internal mod. but i remain skeptical tho with their claim,
ps. "they are not famous in tunning campro"
anyway, ive got some info regard cams from few subang satria neo guys. response is positive. but shouldnt hope for miracle i guess.
anyway mind to discuss ur solution mention? izzit from ps sport product ? mind to discuss with me in pm? ive been planning to put fuel management but still searching for the right 1. some say afc 5 button is enough . some say no. sigh. regards ps sport product, i've read trough alot bad review on zth. but as an educated person, we understand theres always 2 side to a story lol. if u willing, share some info with me on pm .i m open to all good product
and why put so much hp? like u mention, wanna be respectable lo. lol. some time guys have childdish mentality when it comes to certain area. this is one of them but ofcoz this is a car for me to drive hard and have fun, so wanna make it pleasurable to drive.